At 10 Jul 2007 11:12:50 +0000 Brian wrote:

> >But analysts predict that a cheaper phone from Apple, which leads the
> >digital music player market, could pose a much bigger threat to
> >long-established phone makers such as Nokia, Motorola, Samsung
Electronics
> >and Sony Ericsson, owned by Sony and Ericsson.

> Verizon is so-o-o-o-o-o-o-o screwed.

Yep- just as soon as American consumers stop caring about coverage... ;-)


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At 10 Jul 2007 09:31:25 -0600 none wrote:

> first cell device to use Coverflow - that's very new.


True- it's pretty, but it isn't a new FUNCTION. All music-playing phones
let you choose content by "album" or "artist." New look, old function.

This seems to be the theme of these online "debates" over iPhone's
merits. The pro-iPhone crowd confuses new methodology with new
functionality, and the anti-iPhone crowd dismisses new interface and
design far to easily, since ease-of-use is critical in the actual use of
all of these "new" feature that aren't really new.

> first cell device to be directly linked to YouTube - that's very new.

YouTube launched a mobile service just prior to the iPhone launch.
(m.youtube.com) making YouTube available on many mobiles now. Arguably,
the creation of their mobile service was in preparation for the iPhone,
so thanks for that! ;-)


>
> first cell device to show the Actual Web - that's very new.

Except for flash/java. It's closer than most devices, but still not the
"actual web."

> first cell device to have your actual emails - that's very new.

Huh? HTML e-mail has been available on other devices. I've had it for
over a year, although admittedly I needed third-party software (the free
QMail) on my WM phone. Now I have it natively (WM6) via software update
as well.


> > Play online games....no, also forbidden
>
> you got one right! no games sorry, kiddos... i guess this is a big
> person's toy.

While the anti-iPhone posts here have been ridiculous, it's equally
ridiculous to dismiss as feature the iPhone lacks as unimportant or
useless. A lot of adults play mobile games as well.

Besides, you can't have it both ways- it doesn't have games, so it's not
for kids- it doesn't have full Exchange support, so it's not for
business. Who then is it for? Unemployed adults?

> > Run Windoze software....oops, sorry.
>
> and why would you ever want to do that?

Agreed- it has it's own perfectly good OS. Imagine the possibilities if
an SDK is ever released!

> > Run MAC software....no, it doesn't do that, either, I'm told.
>
> ah, it runs Mac software, what do you think each of those buttons does?

Runs _iPhone_ software- not _Mac_ software, otherwise Safari would hook
flash and java support and download it, like a Mac can. It's not a Mac,
and it isn't running Mac software- unless Macs are now using ARM-based
processors...

> > Do Palm Pilot "things"....no, no, that's not new any more
>
> like what?

Isn't syncing one-way on iPhone? (I'm asking- I haven't used on yet.)
Do contact and calendar changes upload to your computer?


> > Hmm...It's not a HDTV....
>
> It's actually higher quality than HDTV, a 1660dpi screen, the first of
> any cell phone.

Huh? How does 1660dpi come out to 320x480 unless the iPhone screen is
1/3"?


The iPhone resolution of 320x480 is certainly sufficient, however VGA
phones (640x480) predate the iPhone (ETEN makes a WM PPC phone for
Euro/Asian markets with a 3.5" VGA screen.) I'm happy enough with 320x240,
but more is always nicer.

> I just put real time, moving radar on mine. How about your cell phone,
> can it do this?
>
> http://apple.accuweather.com/widget/iphone1/iphone.html
>
> Nope!

Animated radar maps hav been available on WAP browsers for years, and
downloadable apps (generally not free, however) have displayed it on PPCs
and Treos for quite some time. Sadly, it seems, this is another example
of "making it easy makes it new." How many current "dumb-phone" users
know the wealth of easy-to-receive information that's been available on
their phones for years?

> So Larry, we have now discovered you are an idiot. Thanks for letting
> us know.

Larry is just making a semi-valid point. The iPhone is certainly
breaking some ground in ease of use, but it doesn't actually DO anything
that hasn't been done before.
It's the iPod all over again- existing technology made easier. There's
nothing wrong with that- it's a perfectly laudable goal in and of itself.
I just remember watching the Pirates/calamari iPhone commercial a few
weeks ago and my wife saying "your phone does all that, doesn't it?" The
irony was
that I had to tell her "so does yours!" (She has a T-Mobile Dash- a WM
Smartphone with a "hard" keyboard rather than a touchscreen.)

I'd bet she'd like the iPhone- if only AT&T had coverage where we live...



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balanco01@yahoo.com wrote:

> > > Awesome Dude. I'm sure you'll be the only one in your 6'th grade class
> > > with an iPhone.
> >
> > not in the area i live in, there will be hundreds of iphones in K-12 by
> > the end of the month, here are just two 7th graders in the iphone line
>
> And then Tommy Tucker the bully punches the kid in the face and takes
> it. Any sane parent would NOT send their kid to school with a $500+
> gizmo. Several years ago, kids were getting stabbed over Pokemon
> *trading cards*!

you must live in a uncivilized location, something like that wouldn't
happen here since all the kids are wealthy and highly educated.

Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote:

> > first cell device to use Coverflow - that's very new.
>
> True- it's pretty, but it isn't a new FUNCTION. All music-playing phones
> let you choose content by "album" or "artist." New look, old function.

it's a new function, you haven't been able to "flick" through your
albums with a finger before.

> This seems to be the theme of these online "debates" over iPhone's
> merits. The pro-iPhone crowd confuses new methodology with new
> functionality, and the anti-iPhone crowd dismisses new interface and
> design far to easily, since ease-of-use is critical in the actual use of
> all of these "new" feature that aren't really new.

yes, what i've noticed it's really a debate between people that have and
use the iphone against those that have never touched one.

> > first cell device to be directly linked to YouTube - that's very new.
>
> YouTube launched a mobile service just prior to the iPhone launch.
> (m.youtube.com) making YouTube available on many mobiles now. Arguably,
> the creation of their mobile service was in preparation for the iPhone,
> so thanks for that! ;-)

yes, no problem.

> > first cell device to show the Actual Web - that's very new.
>
> Except for flash/java. It's closer than most devices, but still not the
> "actual web."

it has java... just not flash since it's obsolete and eats batteries.

> > first cell device to have your actual emails - that's very new.
>
> Huh? HTML e-mail has been available on other devices. I've had it for
> over a year, although admittedly I needed third-party software (the free
> QMail) on my WM phone. Now I have it natively (WM6) via software update
> as well.

not "real mail", the email on my iphone is indistinguishable from my
computer email. it looks and acts the same, and that's a first for a
phone.

> > > Play online games....no, also forbidden
> >
> > you got one right! no games sorry, kiddos... i guess this is a big
> > person's toy.
>
> While the anti-iPhone posts here have been ridiculous, it's equally
> ridiculous to dismiss as feature the iPhone lacks as unimportant or
> useless. A lot of adults play mobile games as well.

yes, games could come to the iphone, but gosh it does a ton of stuff
already, so i'm sure adding that was pretty far down the list.

> Besides, you can't have it both ways- it doesn't have games, so it's not
> for kids- it doesn't have full Exchange support, so it's not for
> business. Who then is it for? Unemployed adults?

i'm sure the ipod version will have games, and steve has already said,
more complete exchange support is coming.

> > > Run Windoze software....oops, sorry.
> >
> > and why would you ever want to do that?
>
> Agreed- it has it's own perfectly good OS. Imagine the possibilities if
> an SDK is ever released!

yes, and it's entirely possible at some future point, but i think apple
was smart to make sure it's highly reliable. which it is.

> > > Run MAC software....no, it doesn't do that, either, I'm told.
> >
> > ah, it runs Mac software, what do you think each of those buttons does?
>
> Runs _iPhone_ software- not _Mac_ software, otherwise Safari would hook
> flash and java support and download it, like a Mac can. It's not a Mac,
> and it isn't running Mac software- unless Macs are now using ARM-based
> processors...

fair enough, outside of safari and mail, it probably more fitting to
say it runs "widgets".

> > > Do Palm Pilot "things"....no, no, that's not new any more
> >
> > like what?
>
> Isn't syncing one-way on iPhone? (I'm asking- I haven't used on yet.)
> Do contact and calendar changes upload to your computer?

yes, data goes both ways. kinda fun that hasn't been reported anywhere
that i've seen.... if you open iPhoto, the iPhone shows up and you can
pull in your camera images.

> > > Hmm...It's not a HDTV....
> >
> > It's actually higher quality than HDTV, a 1660dpi screen, the first of
> > any cell phone.
>
> Huh? How does 1660dpi come out to 320x480 unless the iPhone screen is
> 1/3"?

my bad, 160dpi

> The iPhone resolution of 320x480 is certainly sufficient, however VGA
> phones (640x480) predate the iPhone (ETEN makes a WM PPC phone for
> Euro/Asian markets with a 3.5" VGA screen.) I'm happy enough with 320x240,
> but more is always nicer.
>
> > I just put real time, moving radar on mine. How about your cell phone,
> > can it do this?
> >
> > http://apple.accuweather.com/widget/iphone1/iphone.html
> >
> > Nope!
>
> Animated radar maps hav been available on WAP browsers for years, and
> downloadable apps (generally not free, however) have displayed it on PPCs
> and Treos for quite some time. Sadly, it seems, this is another example
> of "making it easy makes it new." How many current "dumb-phone" users
> know the wealth of easy-to-receive information that's been available on
> their phones for years?

but those are special apps on those phones, these are simple webpages.
agree that most dumb phone don't use or don't even know about these
extra features, the iphone's simplicity allows for more discovery, so it
should help.

> > So Larry, we have now discovered you are an idiot. Thanks for letting
> > us know.
>
> Larry is just making a semi-valid point. The iPhone is certainly
> breaking some ground in ease of use, but it doesn't actually DO anything
> that hasn't been done before.

except for a multi-touch display, ambient light sensor, accelerometer,
high rez screen, real time google maps, ipod, the real web, etc.

> It's the iPod all over again- existing technology made easier. There's
> nothing wrong with that- it's a perfectly laudable goal in and of itself.
> I just remember watching the Pirates/calamari iPhone commercial a few
> weeks ago and my wife saying "your phone does all that, doesn't it?" The
> irony was
> that I had to tell her "so does yours!" (She has a T-Mobile Dash- a WM
> Smartphone with a "hard" keyboard rather than a touchscreen.)
>
> I'd bet she'd like the iPhone- if only AT&T had coverage where we live...

fair enough, and while her phone doesn't do what the calamari ad does,
at least with just touches of a finger, you can, with some work make it
sorta do it. sure, at some point the iphone will expand to other
carriers, for now att wins the prize.

hopefully we'll see an iPod with WiFi, ichat/skype features and
everything but the old fashioned cell phone portion.

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In article <a-577AA2.07440511072007@mpls-nnrp-02.inet.qwest.net>,
none <a@b.com> wrote:


>
> yes, what i've noticed it's really a debate between people that have and
> use the iphone against those that have never touched one.

I think it goes a little deeper in that it seems to be between those
that were destined to have an iPhone (Apple fan or just a need for the
latest UberGeek gadget) and those would go back to strings and tins cans
before they would ever touch anything with the Apple logo on it.
Of course this leaves the majority who really don't care either way,
mildly amused about the hooha..

none wrote:
> CC56 <copycat56@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Awesome Dude. I'm sure you'll be the only one in your 6'th grade class
>> with an iPhone.
>
> not in the area i live in, there will be hundreds of iphones in K-12 by
> the end of the month, here are just two 7th graders in the iphone line
> that bought 2 each.
>
> http://homepage.mac.com/alchemy8/general.jpg
>
> i think you forget there is a more intelligent world out there, also a
> wealthier world... which you might not be apart of because you have set
> lower standards for yourself.
>
> -
Really? I would be quite surprised if a lot of those show off purchases
by "intelligent" people weren't made using a CC and being paid off in 99
easy payments plus interest and penalties.

none wrote:
> balanco01@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>>>> Awesome Dude. I'm sure you'll be the only one in your 6'th grade class
>>>> with an iPhone.
>>> not in the area i live in, there will be hundreds of iphones in K-12 by
>>> the end of the month, here are just two 7th graders in the iphone line
>> And then Tommy Tucker the bully punches the kid in the face and takes
>> it. Any sane parent would NOT send their kid to school with a $500+
>> gizmo. Several years ago, kids were getting stabbed over Pokemon
>> *trading cards*!
>
> you must live in a uncivilized location, something like that wouldn't
> happen here since all the kids are wealthy and highly educated.

Now you're just being an asshole.

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Jason McNorton <jmcno@tx.rr.com> wrote:

> > This just proves you're a moron. 802.11 is very very very far from
> > available everywhere.
> >
> > Oh gee, I am at the bookstore, I can pay 20 bucks for 802.11 or I can
> > use Edge. Geeze, what choice would you make?
>
> Let me get this straight, you're saying that 80kbs service is ok and
> better than wifi? And even better than Verizon 1.5megabit EDVO Rev A?

ignore Justin, he is still thinking the old CELL world has a chance to
survive against 802.11. which all computer people KNOW isn't going to
happen. Cell tech is DEAD, it's just now a transition period before
everyone is on free 802.11xxx

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Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > yes, what i've noticed it's really a debate between people that have and
> > use the iphone against those that have never touched one.
>
> I think it goes a little deeper in that it seems to be between those
> that were destined to have an iPhone (Apple fan or just a need for the
> latest UberGeek gadget) and those would go back to strings and tins cans
> before they would ever touch anything with the Apple logo on it.
> Of course this leaves the majority who really don't care either way,
> mildly amused about the hooha..

yes, there is some of that, i'll agree. but ALL phones will now work
like the iPhone in 10 years, that's a fact written in today's stone.

the iPhone changed the world as we knew it, it took about 7 days, but it
did happen. Now every Cell Phone must work like the iPhone or "die".

It's that simple.

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In article <a-135706.11295611072007@mpls-nnrp-02.inet.qwest.net>,
none <a@b.com> wrote:

> Notan <notan@ddressthatcanbespammed> wrote:
>
> > > you must live in a uncivilized location, something like that wouldn't
> > > happen here since all the kids are wealthy and highly educated.
> >
> > Now you're just being an asshole.
>
> incorrect, i'm being truthful. try it sometime. or MOVE to a more
> civilized location.
>
> no kid "steals" in an affluent area, come on, get real....

I seriously doubt that. Many brats will shoplift as a matter of passage
or initiation. However, in rich areas, what would likely happen is that
the parents would just agree to pay for whatever was stolen and keep it
out of the papers.

Have you forgotten about Winona Ryder?

Similarly, Leopold and Loeb were children of the elite in Chicago when
they killed Bobby Franks in the 1930's for the thrill of it.

None, you really need to spend time in areas such as post-Katrina Gulf
Coast. You are really immature and need to learn how other people live
who must work to support their children by putting food on the table and
a roof over their heads. After all, spoiled rich brats like Paris
Hilton, Nicole Richie, Lindsay Lohan, etc. are far less civilized than
the people who are paid to cook their food and make their beds.

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