On Sep 4, 12:03 pm, KDT <scarface...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Sep 4, 12:33 pm, Edwin <thorn...@juno.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Sep 4, 11:25 am, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net> wrote:
>
> > > In article <1188922899.836476.91...@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups. com>,
>
> > > Edwin <thorn...@juno.com> wrote:
> > > > On Sep 4, 10:10 am, Oxford <colalovesm...@mac.com> wrote:
> > > > > apple stock up 4.5 points on the news...
>
> > > > > -
>
> > > > > (Reuters) - Apple Inc's iPhone outsold all smartphones in the United
> > > > > States in July, its first full month on sale, accounting for 1.8 percent
> > > > > of all U.S. mobile handset sales, research group iSuppli said on Tuesday.
>
> > > > [snip]
>
> > > > "The market researchers used a survey of 2 million people which
> > > > estimated that about 1.8 percent of all cellphones sold in the US
> > > > during July were iPhones, regardless of class."
>
> > > >http://www.macnn.com/articles/07/09/...sells.in.july/
>
> > > Yes, Edwin. 1.8% of *all* cell phones sold in the U.S. in July were
> > > iPhones. So?
>
> > No, it's an estimate based on a survey says that 1.8% of all cell
> > phone sales were iPhones, not actual sales figures.
>
> > > Pardon me: So what relevance do you think that fact has?
>
> > It did a good job of getting you to make yourself look stupid... AGAIN!
>
> Are you claiming that a survey of 2 million is not statistically
> significant?

Are you really too stupid to understand what I wrote?

On Sep 4, 12:09 pm, Jim <j...@NOwwa.net> wrote:
> In article <1188923591.837895.170...@57g2000hsv.googlegroups. com>,
>
>
>
> Edwin <thorn...@juno.com> wrote:
> > On Sep 4, 11:25 am, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net> wrote:
> > > In article <1188922899.836476.91...@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups. com>,
>
> > > Edwin <thorn...@juno.com> wrote:
> > > > On Sep 4, 10:10 am, Oxford <colalovesm...@mac.com> wrote:
> > > > > apple stock up 4.5 points on the news...
>
> > > > > -
>
> > > > > (Reuters) - Apple Inc's iPhone outsold all smartphones in the United
> > > > > States in July, its first full month on sale, accounting for 1.8
> > > > > percent
> > > > > of all U.S. mobile handset sales, research group iSuppli said on
> > > > > Tuesday.
>
> > > > [snip]
>
> > > > "The market researchers used a survey of 2 million people which
> > > > estimated that about 1.8 percent of all cellphones sold in the US
> > > > during July were iPhones, regardless of class."
>
> > > >http://www.macnn.com/articles/07/09/...sells.in.july/
>
> > > Yes, Edwin. 1.8% of *all* cell phones sold in the U.S. in July were
> > > iPhones. So?
>
> > No, it's an estimate based on a survey says that 1.8% of all cell
> > phone sales were iPhones, not actual sales figures.
>
> > > Pardon me: So what relevance do you think that fact has?
>
> > It did a good job of getting you to make yourself look stupid... AGAIN!
>
> Do you even know how survey's are done and evaluated?

How does the answer to that question change the fact this is only an
estimate based on a survey, and not actual sales figures?

On Sep 4, 11:15 am, Larry <no...@home.com> wrote:
> Oxford <colalovesm...@mac.com> wrote in news:colalovesmacs-
> DD9A61.09101104092...@mpls-nnrp-04.inet.qwest.net:
>
> > rising to more than 30 million in 2011.
>
> Apple thinks iPhone sales will last 4 more years? I predict it may last 6
> months to a year...but someone will trump it LONG before 4 years is up and
> the Yuppie class will move on! They've NEVER had a phone that lasted a
> year since dropping the Startacs and standard battery packs!
>
> Larry

Hey Larry, Git 'er Done!

In article <1188923591.837895.170600@57g2000hsv.googlegroups. com>,
Edwin <thorne25@juno.com> wrote:

> On Sep 4, 11:25 am, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net> wrote:
> > In article <1188922899.836476.91...@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups. com>,
> >
> >
> >
> > Edwin <thorn...@juno.com> wrote:
> > > On Sep 4, 10:10 am, Oxford <colalovesm...@mac.com> wrote:
> > > > apple stock up 4.5 points on the news...
> >
> > > > -
> >
> > > > (Reuters) - Apple Inc's iPhone outsold all smartphones in the United
> > > > States in July, its first full month on sale, accounting for 1.8
> > > > percent
> > > > of all U.S. mobile handset sales, research group iSuppli said on
> > > > Tuesday.
> >
> > > [snip]
> >
> > > "The market researchers used a survey of 2 million people which
> > > estimated that about 1.8 percent of all cellphones sold in the US
> > > during July were iPhones, regardless of class."
> >
> > >http://www.macnn.com/articles/07/09/...sells.in.july/
> >
> > Yes, Edwin. 1.8% of *all* cell phones sold in the U.S. in July were
> > iPhones. So?
>
> No, it's an estimate based on a survey says that 1.8% of all cell
> phone sales were iPhones, not actual sales figures.

What do you think the margin of error for such a survey is?

>
> > Pardon me: So what relevance do you think that fact has?
>
> It did a good job of getting you to make yourself look stupid... AGAIN!

LOL

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."

In article <1188926548.938449.61260@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.c om>,
Edwin <thorne25@juno.com> wrote:

> On Sep 4, 12:09 pm, Jim <j...@NOwwa.net> wrote:
> > In article <1188923591.837895.170...@57g2000hsv.googlegroups. com>,
> >
> >
> >
> > Edwin <thorn...@juno.com> wrote:
> > > On Sep 4, 11:25 am, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net> wrote:
> > > > In article <1188922899.836476.91...@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups. com>,
> >
> > > > Edwin <thorn...@juno.com> wrote:
> > > > > On Sep 4, 10:10 am, Oxford <colalovesm...@mac.com> wrote:
> > > > > > apple stock up 4.5 points on the news...
> >
> > > > > > -
> >
> > > > > > (Reuters) - Apple Inc's iPhone outsold all smartphones in the United
> > > > > > States in July, its first full month on sale, accounting for 1.8
> > > > > > percent
> > > > > > of all U.S. mobile handset sales, research group iSuppli said on
> > > > > > Tuesday.
> >
> > > > > [snip]
> >
> > > > > "The market researchers used a survey of 2 million people which
> > > > > estimated that about 1.8 percent of all cellphones sold in the US
> > > > > during July were iPhones, regardless of class."
> >
> > > > >http://www.macnn.com/articles/07/09/...sells.in.july/
> >
> > > > Yes, Edwin. 1.8% of *all* cell phones sold in the U.S. in July were
> > > > iPhones. So?
> >
> > > No, it's an estimate based on a survey says that 1.8% of all cell
> > > phone sales were iPhones, not actual sales figures.
> >
> > > > Pardon me: So what relevance do you think that fact has?
> >
> > > It did a good job of getting you to make yourself look stupid... AGAIN!
> >
> > Do you even know how survey's are done and evaluated?
>
> How does the answer to that question change the fact this is only an
> estimate based on a survey, and not actual sales figures?

That's it, Edwin: you hang on to your ludicrous claim that no iPhones
were sold after the end of June just as long as you can!

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."

But the iPhone isn't a smartphone. It's a stupid phone for stupid people.
The blackberry 8830 is superior to it in every single way, shape, form, and
function.

In article <1188926548.938449.61260@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.c om>,
Edwin <thorne25@juno.com> wrote:

> On Sep 4, 12:09 pm, Jim <j...@NOwwa.net> wrote:
> > In article <1188923591.837895.170...@57g2000hsv.googlegroups. com>,
> >
> >
> >
> > Edwin <thorn...@juno.com> wrote:
> > > On Sep 4, 11:25 am, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net> wrote:
> > > > In article <1188922899.836476.91...@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups. com>,
> >
> > > > Edwin <thorn...@juno.com> wrote:
> > > > > On Sep 4, 10:10 am, Oxford <colalovesm...@mac.com> wrote:
> > > > > > apple stock up 4.5 points on the news...
> >
> > > > > > -
> >
> > > > > > (Reuters) - Apple Inc's iPhone outsold all smartphones in the United
> > > > > > States in July, its first full month on sale, accounting for 1.8
> > > > > > percent
> > > > > > of all U.S. mobile handset sales, research group iSuppli said on
> > > > > > Tuesday.
> >
> > > > > [snip]
> >
> > > > > "The market researchers used a survey of 2 million people which
> > > > > estimated that about 1.8 percent of all cellphones sold in the US
> > > > > during July were iPhones, regardless of class."
> >
> > > > >http://www.macnn.com/articles/07/09/...sells.in.july/
> >
> > > > Yes, Edwin. 1.8% of *all* cell phones sold in the U.S. in July were
> > > > iPhones. So?
> >
> > > No, it's an estimate based on a survey says that 1.8% of all cell
> > > phone sales were iPhones, not actual sales figures.
> >
> > > > Pardon me: So what relevance do you think that fact has?
> >
> > > It did a good job of getting you to make yourself look stupid... AGAIN!
> >
> > Do you even know how survey's are done and evaluated?
>
> How does the answer to that question change the fact this is only an
> estimate based on a survey, and not actual sales figures?

You think a survey is insignificant since it suits your purpose, to
bash, and of course the answer doesn't fit your preconceived idea that
Apple stuff of any kind is crap.

Survey's are a tool of Market Research and are valuable tools to look at
trends.

--
Jim

In article <Xns99A17DC94DBEBnoonehomecom@208.49.80.253>,
Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:

> Oxford <colalovesmacs@mac.com> wrote in news:colalovesmacs-
> DD9A61.09101104092007@mpls-nnrp-04.inet.qwest.net:
>
> > rising to more than 30 million in 2011.
>
> Apple thinks iPhone sales will last 4 more years? I predict it may last 6
> months to a year...but someone will trump it LONG before 4 years is up and
> the Yuppie class will move on! They've NEVER had a phone that lasted a
> year since dropping the Startacs and standard battery packs!
>
> Larry

Larry, in his lack of foresight, assumes that Apple will be standing
still and not evolving the iPhone while all others trump Apple's
offerings.

Not very forward looking there Larry.

--
Jim

Oxford wrote:
> re-posted, and very true...
>
> Apple is a Disruptive Company, A modern day Business Volcano.
>
> From the day of it's creation Apple has been a disruptive force in any
> market it touched. The Apple II disrupted the computer industry by
> creating a personal computer the average citizen could use. The Mac was
> extremely disruptive in that it allowed the rest of us to actually be
> productive and creative without having to fully understand how computers
> work.
>
> The iPod disrupted the music industry big time. Now comes the iPhone
> doing the same thing to the cellphone industry.
>
> Every time Apple enters a market they turn well established, profitable
> business models into obsolete mush. And the big players don't like it
> one bit.
>
> Now the cellphone industry has been seriously disrupted and players are
> scurrying around like rodents trying to figure out what to do next.
>
> This a VERY GOOD thing.
>
> -
The iphone is an entertainment device. Lots of folks have and use a
smartphone for business purposes. Can you directly edit a spreadsheet or
document sent to your iphone? Can you use the non-existent GPS to
display your position and route?

George <george@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> > Now the cellphone industry has been seriously disrupted and players are
> > scurrying around like rodents trying to figure out what to do next.
> >
> > This a VERY GOOD thing.
> >
> > -
> The iphone is an entertainment device. Lots of folks have and use a
> smartphone for business purposes. Can you directly edit a spreadsheet or
> document sent to your iphone? Can you use the non-existent GPS to
> display your position and route?

Can you directly edit a spreadsheet on any other phone? nope! not really.

The iPhone is a high powered communication device that has already
changed the world... in 65 days! a new Apple record!

You are talking about very old "apple //" concepts, "a spreadsheet" if
it had any value would be updated through Ruby on Rails, AJAX or PHP, so
your iPhone would display the latest info every time.

A "spreadsheet" is like the postit note of the 90's.

Get with the program!